I sat down with his Prime Minister at Queen Elizabeth's Hotel in Montreal last Thursday.
B & B before her & # 39; First Ministers, a meeting that was very much talking about stress, but not everyone who talked to it.
Not one of the interviews at the end of that year; It's an interview I was in; Trying to get it for a while now. It's busy, that's easy to understand.
But since we are now less than one year away from an election, we are sitting with a & # 39; is currently a prime minister and his partners seem to be important for that work. Interviewees were saying that Trudeau was in a position; responding to news about the day, but showing a few of its choices and defines and defines it.
You can judge how well its work is doing in & # 39; answer those questions.
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RB: Good to see you.
PMJT: Good to be here Rosie.
RB: How are you doing?
PMJT: Very good.
RB: Math. I'm going to start where you've been around this time last year, at the G20 and at the moment. register the new NAFTA, that's what I say at least. I know that you can argue that trading tariffs and contracts are not the same, they are two different, but you seem to get some help there with the United States, and not get it again. So why did you sign it even with those targets still going?
PMJT: Well, I'm thinking first, to & # 39; Ensure that we have access to our most important trading partner for businesses, for staff, for the Canadian economy is essential, and that the other option would not be able to; Recording that we set out the terms of trading contract registration that was very important to the US at a time of tremendous security and uncertainty. I mean that investors and businesses are delighted that we have set the NAFTA issue.
PMJT: Herbalism is one for reflection. I mean we want to get rid of the steel and aluminum tariffs, so we need, we will continue to & # 39; stand up for our staff, but we also see the way to be confirmed as a place where conversations are going on; from a member of the Congress, from a business or company in the United States, from governors who also want to see those targets, and we will continue to, going to work on that.
RB: So, is that the increase then, trying to put pressure on people around it or people in Washington?
PMJT: Every step of the path was continuing to & # 39; take forward and we'll do what Fortrose is doing; We expect to do everything that looks at every opportunity to do; stand for our interests.
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RB: When you got to & # 39; news conference next to the chairman and you said at one time: & # 39; Donald, the biggest reason to get rid of those shows, and did you give up that you were in a position? going to do it's just a sense that you would have to recommend it publicly.
PMJT: No, I spoke to him before and I had been talking a few days ago, he was worried about how important it was for us to rid us, uh to eliminate these targets between our two countries. It is not meaningful to move on a free trade and still have tariffs, especially those who have a national security force that does not. makes sense when it comes to Canada.
RB: OK enough, but that's what we did, we moved forward with free trade and left the targets in place. So, what's the way forward to get rid of them?
PMJT: To continue to engage in the wide range of partners across the United States, for congress members, to business leaders, to working groups who are aware that these targets, as any sponsors , a & # 39; injuring users and staff on both sides of the border.
RB: There was a point there once it was made, after it had been done, where it was done; the US ambassador said we would send someone with a bag to the date of the names. Why did you feel that it was necessary to play with the reason why it was so difficult, personal at times, why did you give the president of that trip for his / her? defense contract?
PMJT: Oh, Canadians do not want me to do this personally, the Singer wants me to make sure that I do what is right for Canada and Canada is right to go ahead with NAFTA secure – that's what I have heard from Canadians across the country. That's how people from all political backgrounds and businesses have worked together. Our integrated approach to NAFTA made a huge difference around our negotiations board and we got a better deal than we would need.
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RB: Yeah but you did not have to stand next to it. It was going to happen whether you stood there or not, so …
PMJT: Indeed, signage was not required and we were pleased to say & show; We work hard on this, there is more work to be done on installments, obviously we have to stand for our aluminum and steel, but we've got a free trade with the United States and that's a big thing, not something small. & # 39;
RB: You have said that the president has not been understood, you said he does not play with the rules, can you give me an example of how it influenced your position as First Minister , who is so impressive?
PMJT: Well, I think of what Canadians have seen, we have continued to keep us in our relationship with the United States. It means we are sure we do not; address or exceed when we get a big idea in a tweet or report. We continue to say, a & # 39; Look, the relationship is bigger than that between the two leaders of the country's leaders, and we will go to the next. focusing on that connection, that is between Canadians and Americans. That approach has stood up in a good place.
RB: But he's definitely more challenging in your position.
PMJT: It is a challenging job that is a prime minister of Canada at any time, and there is always personality, and global challenges that can be addressed. I have been a great need to have a dramatic change to the world, not just from the United States. That's coming with the country.
RB: Is it easier with his president?
PMJT: I think that there is a real understanding of each other that has grown through working together, by having a resolution on its & # 39; This big bill of updating NAFTA. So, there is a little more understanding of what our personalities and how we can work together.
RB: But you're not going to live out with it?
PMJT: Canada expects to be professional about this and I will continue.
RB: I want to move to something else that happened at the G20 when you gave some time to meet Saudi Arabia. The Prince Crown, MBS. You raised the case of Raif Badawi, his sister, Jamal Khashoggi, and his war in Yemen. How a headteacher responds to another leader; come to him and say: "Listen, we have problems here, I must do," whatever you ask for. How does that respond?
PMJT: Well, I think that's really dependent on the way in which it is writing things, and my frame, in every case in the world, Canada wants to move us to a better place as a planet and its; emphasizing our surrounding concerns there is a humanity crisis in Yemen which includes a tender of: & # 39; Canada wants to be helpful, whether it is through the UN, with our relatives. People suffer and suffer; Dying, we want to be helpful.
So it's & # 39; look, we need to see a stop, we definitely want to work with you in the international community to find out about it. move and be able to help humanity climb. & # 39; There is never a situation, and we can stand there and tell another country what to do, or how to do it. He says, "Look, it would be good if you wanted to do this and that we could be helpful in moving forward in a useful way." I think that's what Canada has. trying to do the world level at all levels.
RB: I can see how the conversation was going on Yemen, so obvious how it would be done; happening Jamal Khashoggi.
RB: How do you meet the prince of our courage we're pretty sure you were involved in killing an innocent journalist.
PMJT: Well, we say we need better answers on that. We need better accountability. A journalist killing what is really bad for Canadians to me. But I'm getting a lot of questions from the Canadians, who are right, as citizens all over the world, very sad, frightening about what happened. We need, as a global community, to give better answers to citizens.
RB: Your answer, saying that, with you to understand that you know the information that is behind it?
PMJT: His response is: & show, we are happy to continue to work and obtain more information and more proof, and if you have your confirmation or information, we will continue to give it. That's just what we're doing. & # 39;
RB: Put your eyes on that place?
PMJT: Being a world leader is the ability to engage in all kinds of people without allowing personal feelings to go beyond independent movements.
RB: Did you hear the failure, or did you tell you about the failure?
PMJT: I was told about what the failure is.
RB: And what was it like that?
PMJT: In particular, there is something that intellectual communities have embraced and listened and worked together and as part of our lives on being able to do so. get real answers.
RB: Can you do it for me?
PMJT: I do not recognize that, no.
PMJT: I do not identify it.
RB: You also made clear to the Prince of Australia that Canada has a " stand for human rights. How can you say that to it, and understand that we are still in & # 39; selling these lightweight vehicles? Is there a dispute there?
PMJT: This is a question that comes up not only in Saudi Arabia, but in terms of a wider range of countries with different levels of defensive human rights than Canadians and Canadians a & # 39; expectations. Whatever China is, is it Russia's? It is Saudi Arabia, the other countries around the world; non-prolonged LGBT protection rights, or others.
We will try to find useful ways to have relationships that help us to be crucial to human rights, where we do not agree where we are; Feeling that we could be helpful in improving things, and at the same time we are doing something; Look for a way you're not scratching someone's fist and saying: "You've changed," they expect that they change.
RB: No, not only that, but Germany did. Germany said: "we're not willing to do this again."
PMJT: We are really involved with the case behind the scenes, and # 39; look at export licenses and look at ways forward.
RB: Is the contract impossible to break?
PMJT: Reflections are happening around that.
RB: What does that mean?
PMJT: That means we are in talks about what we do with our ongoing economic relations with Saudi Arabia.
RB: So I'm clear even though the contract could be broken. It is possible.
PMJT: As indicated by me, the contract contains specific provisions, both for confidentiality, and important penalties. A contract signed by the previous government and we are in a position; watch it clearly.
RB: well. Let's go to what's going on this week, the first minister's meeting. You are going to go to this meeting with a number of people you do not know how well we would not do them as your partners in particular. There are four sections that have not reached its carbon tax, now you are submitting it.
It also seems that it is also co-ordinated, working against you against its carbon tax. How much more difficult it is, then, to sell it out to Canada; Understand that those other people out there say that the wrong thing is.
PMJT: And one of the questions is that; People, who asked me: A & # 39; the context, and, is a real disagreement about a board member who is likely to come up, I want to take a page out of the book of Stephen Harper and decided to be completely absent with their first minister's meetings? And the answer is not cautious. I think it's really important to sit down and be able to see people in the eyes and to do it; Speaking creatively about how we serve citizens that we are all here for service.
Things we agree to & # 39; going, things that we agree, and going to & # 39; Following these discussions, although some are more difficult than others, and some years will be harder than others, it is still something I think the Canadians are doing; expect them from their prime minister. I am pleased that this is our fourth year doing this, and I am going to do it; going to keep sitting down and meeting the priorities every year because it is very important in our partnership.
RB: I get that, even though it's not a # 39; question though. A & # 39; question: is it more difficult to sell the carbon tax when your directors say that the wrong thing is?
PMJT: I think that the reason is that there are several of the external Tories that have decided that pollution should not be free of charge so sadly. there. I think the Canadians are in a position; We recognize that we need to fight for climate change, prepare our economies for the future, and make sure that we are in a position; supporting Canadian during this move. That's just what we do, just what our plan is.
We cost price, because we want less pollution and the fact that conservationists in this country do not want to move forward, either to do it; fight climate change or help people to ensure that we get the best jobs in the future, the conversation I am willing to have at any time. The political advantages surrounding that guardians from Andrew Scheer, to Doug Ford, to others try, are well where the talks were to be done; with Canada.
RB: I think the Canadians are worried about climate change too. I am not sure, however, that they are willing to give their life to climate change. What kind of thing do you recommend is not it?
PMJT: No, but that's just why we are doing what to do in & # 39; move forward by adding a price to contaminate also a & # 39; Ensure that ordinary families in the regions where the federal government has to introduce a real price on pollution, cause the Conservative government to benefit You do not do that, those families are better off , better support. What we do with the enterprise is a climate activity; Ensure that a family in Ontario, which has additional costs due to the cost of pollution, can be exceeded than getting equal.
RB: What do you think about how these people are changing behavior and have an awareness of how quickly?
PMJT: Well, I think we know when you buy something you do not want …
PMJT: Mar pollution.
PMJT: Well, we're putting a price on pollution, right.
RB: It's a tax; , but well.
PMJT: And we're sure to do, we carry out an action, indeed the money goes to; going straight to the sovereignty. This does not go into your device's coffin. It's not something else we're going to spend on something else. We bring that money back to citizens in the # 39; the province in which it was built, because we know that free people are going to give it more.
That's particularly what the Conservatives want. They want to do a free poll, a & # 39; using a daily expression. We say that, if you do not want to be pollute, there should be a charge to it.
RB: And we still saw politics, I think he's a politician, Emmanuel Macron, who opposed her; This question over the last few weeks. He stopped the fuel, disruption to the street, and he had to return. What lesson did you learn from seeing that?
PMJT: He did not make sure the second part of it, you put a price on pollution because we want less pollution, but you also need to ensure that the normal Canadians are in a position; It is going to cost this move to lower carbon economy.
RB: So is the play that makes the difference?
PMJT: The support, support for families, because people are worried about the future, are worried about climate change, they are also worried about children's jobs and their own role. We need to make sure we are Supporting families during this transition period is a fundamental responsibility for each government. That is at the heart of our approach, not what we see about the Conservative approach, and not the other countries that made it.
RB: So, when the Conservatives and others, when they talk about travelers in particular, people who have to do so need to do so. staying in the towns around Toronto that need to drive enough, to bring their places into, all kinds of material, and those who are the most crowded. Do you think that the battery is & # 39; means that it will be completely different, do not have to worry, or do you expect people to feel when they start to; happens when it starts rising up?
PMJT: No, the average family is better off with the battery under what we are doing. But not all that we all do, obviously. We have made a huge investment in public circulation, we invest in cleaner energy sources, in renewable energy, in clean technology, and we are doing it. make historic investments in ensuring that the jobs are in innovation, as we do; Moving to lower carbon economy attack, front and middle.
RB: And still the United Nations says that most of the nations that are causing a great deal, such as Canada, are not. Continue to meet Paris targets, there is no G20 country. So you do this, and it's not a # 39; affecting the United Nations. They want more emergency. So how do you respond to that? Do you upload what you are doing? do? Do you change what you are doing?
PMJT: Countries around the world are looking, with a lot of interest, on how Canada's move forward by adding a cost to pollution and its. Supporting ordinary citizens through this change. This is a model that many people are of great interest because it is a model; who is going to put us on the way to reach our Paris targets.
RB: Well, the UN says it is not. The UN says it does not happen.
PMJT: We are able to reach these commitments.
PMJT: By getting a price on pollution. People look for innovative ways, to go to; Smaller pollution and the advanced positive circle that comes through this, as people make better innovations and innovations, Developing a way forward in a meaningful way that will effectively reduce our climate change and improve productivity Post-
RB: So will you reach your Paris targets?
PMJT: We will reach our Paris targets, yes.
RB: You mentioned the Conservatives in the areas. It seems that it is a sort of moving that is growing in the divisions, It happens as much as you know, and when volunteers are in power. The move seems to be covered, at least, in part with Doug Ford. So I think what you are doing; think that is so attractive about voters, and whether they are the only people who are interested in you.
PMJT: I think that's there, there is no question that worries, like all Canadians, are worried about the growth of the economy, worried about their jobs, worried about the changes they are seen in the surrounding economies, globalization, and ensuring that there are answers to how they respond. That is what I share with the main ambitions, including Ford's top quality. So we'll work together in & # 39; trying to make ways to grow the economy, to help citizens, to move forward in positive ways.
RB: Yeah, but you can not say that you are doing it; share the same values.
PMJT: No, but we'll share how we & # 39; It's going to help you to help us get on, and that's why I'm going to look forward to doing something. sit with him to talk about how we will proceed in the ways in which we agree.
RB: On Sunday, Alberta's senior said oil reduction has been reduced to deal with these low historic prices [for oil] in Alberta. It also purchases rail cars to try to find more ways. You have said it's an emergency. How can you not help if it's upset?
PMJT: Oh we have made a tremendous contribution and we …
RB: How is it?
PMJT: We recognize, in particular, that Alberta and Albertans are currently experiencing a very momentous moment. This price difference is more stringent than just what has been done over the last few years, and they need help. It is the first most important thing to do; They need to be able to find our oil resources to new markets as well as the United States. Given that Canada, Canada's oil for most prisoners to the US market, means that we deliver great discounts.
If we are moving forward in a move to lower carbon economy, we need to be able to pay for a & # 39; that move, and we do not make sense of billions of dollars discounted annually. So we are so keen to move forward to & # 39; Get our resources to markets in the right way, markets other than the United States, such as Trans Mountain pipe expansion. But we follow court orders on how we do that.
It is the problem, for ten years our government was alerting the courts, and paying attention to native communities, who did not experience environmental science and did not listen to Canada's concerns about it, and we lost ten years of building these projects.
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RB: So that's the long-term solution. But the worst concern is about the short-term and that's why she is doing these things right now. What did you give her? What can you do for, do you know, thousands of thousands of people left in that area now? Is there anything you can do?
PMJT: We look at the tools that we have; around us. We look at our tools for revenue support. Tha sinn air grunn rudan a dhèanamh timcheall air sin, mu shuidheachaidhean san àm a dh'fhalbh agus bidh sinn a 'dol a dhèanamh a' dèanamh sin. Tha mi cuideachd deònach, gu dearbh, suidhe sìos leis an àrd-ionad Notley agus cluinnidh e mu mar a dh'fhaodas an riaghaltas feadarail a bhith na chom-pàirtiche ann a bhith a 'fuasgladh seo ann an dòighean fìor.
RB: Ach tha i air innse dhut gu robh i airson gun reic tu càraichean rèile, mar eisimpleir.
PMJT: Tha fios agad, is e sin rudeigin a tha sinn toilichte coimhead. Mas e moladh a tha sin gu bheil i den bheachd gu bheil e a 'dèanamh eadar-dhealachadh mòr, tha sinn toilichte coimhead air mar a tha e ag obair. Tha mi a 'ciallachadh gu bheil sinn an sin a bhith nar com-pàirtiche airson cuideachadh.
RB: A bheil an fhreagairt, ge-tà, chan eil, tha sinn air pìob-loidhne a cheannach dhut, dè a bharrachd a tha thu ag iarraidh?
PMJT: Uill, chan eil mòran againn fhathast ri dhèanamh gus faighinn a-mach an Loidhne a Trì. Uill, tha leudachadh Loidhne Tri a 'tighinn a-steach don treas ràith, no an ceathramh ràithe an ath-bhliadhna. Bheir sin beagan cuideachaidh de dh'fhuasgladh agus bheir an gluasad air adhart san dòigh cheart air Trans Mountain cuideachd cuideam air falbh. Ach tha fios agad, tha sinn, ag obair air adhart a dh'ionnsaigh dè an duilgheadas bunaiteach a th 'ann, dè an aon rud a th' againn ach aon mhargaid airson Alberta agus airson na h-ola praireie againn.
RB: Airson TMX tha e follaiseach gu bheil thu a 'dol air ais, mar a thuirt a' chùirt fheadarail, bu chòir dhut a dhèanamh an-dràsta, a 'co-chomhairleachadh le First Nations, a' bruidhinn nas fheàrr. Dè a tha thu deònach a dhèanamh, ge-tà, a thogail; ag atharrachadh an t-slighe, a 'gabhail àite nas fheàrr do chuid de na coimhearsnachdan ciad nàiseanan sin? A bheil thu deònach beachdachadh air na rudan sin?
PMJT: Gun teagamh, tha sin aig cridhe na bha an riaghladh Cùirt Feadarail. Is e dùthaich a th 'annainn a tha a' toirt spèis do riaghailt lagha, spèis don bhun-reachd, agus thug a 'chùirt dhuinn dealbh-riochd agus thuirt e gum feum thu obair nas fheàrr a dhèanamh air co-chomhairle a dhèanamh le coimhearsnachdan dùthchasach, agus feumaidh tu obair nas fheàrr a dhèanamh air cuid den eòlas àrainneachdail a thaobh sàbhailteachd mara agus sin dìreach na tha sinn a 'dèanamh.
Tha dùthaich againn le stòrasan mòra nàdarra, ach cuideachd saoranaich a tha gu ceart an-sàs le buaidh ar leasachadh ghoireasan orra fhèin, air an àrainneachd, air àm ri teachd na cloinne aca. Is e a bhith a 'faighinn an fheadhainn ceart ann an dòigh smaoineachail dìreach dè a tha a' chùirt a 'suidheachadh dealbh-riochd airson agus dè a bhios sinn a' dol a leantainn.
RB: Ach a chionn 's gu bheil thu air a cheannach mar-thà, le mo dhollair cìse, agus do dholairean cìse a h-uile duine, feumaidh e a dhol air adhart. Feumaidh i a dhol air adhart ann an cruth air choreigin agus le cuid de shlighe, nach eil?
PMJT: Uill, cheannaich sinn loidhne-phìoban a th 'ann mar-thà agus an roghainn airson a gluasad air adhart agus bidh sinn a' leantainn na tha a 'chùirt air a mhìneachadh mar an dòigh seo a dhèanamh an dòigh cheart, agus tighinn chun a' cho-dhùnaidh cheart airson co dhiubh a tha e ann an Canada ùidh nàiseanta agus sin a tha sinn a 'dèanamh.
RB: Ach tha thu a 'creidsinn gur e seo?
PMJT: Tha mi air a ràdh gu cunbhalach feumaidh sinn na goireasan againn fhaighinn gu margaidhean ùra, ach feumaidh sinn a dhèanamh san dòigh cheart. Is e an duilgheadas a bh 'againn airson deich bliadhna fon riaghaltas a bh' ann roimhe nach robh iad a 'cur dragh orra le bhith a' dèanamh rudan san dòigh cheart. Bha iad dìreach airson feuchainn ri rudan a dhèanamh, agus na bha sin a 'ciallachadh nach robh cùisean a' dèanamh idir idir.
An-dràsta, tha leudachadh pìob-loidhne Trans Mountain mar eisimpleir, a 'dol air adhart le bhith a' cur prìs air truailleadh agus a 'ruighinn ar targaidean Paris. Leis gu bheil fios againn gu bheil sinn a 'faighinn na stòrasan ola againn gu margaidhean ùra a bheir sinn a-steach beairteas a dh'fhaodas sinn a phàigheadh airson an eadar-ghluasaid sin agus an innleachdas, agus aig an aon àm, tha Alberta air ceum iomlan a chuir air sgaoilidhean gainmheach ola a bheir cothrom dhuinn gus na targaidean sin ann am Paris a ruigsinn.
RB: Nuair a dh'ainmich GM gun do chuir e stad air inneal-inneal Oshawa san àm ri teachd, thuirt thu gu bheil thu a 'dol a chuideachadh gus na h-obraichean sin fhaighinn air ais air an casan. Ach tha e a 'tachairt riumsa, tha fios agad, airson a' cho-dhùnaidh sin, airson na daoine a bhith air an leigeil dheth ann an Alberta, chan eil ach uiread de dh 'fhaodadh tu a dhèanamh. Mar sin, dè a chanas tu ris na daoine a tha draghail gu bheil na h-obraichean aca mar dhòigh air a bhith a 'gluasad air falbh, nach eil na h-obraichean' s dòcha obraichean an ama ri teachd.
RB: Dè as urrainn dhut a dhèanamh dhaibhsan?
PMJT: Uill, a 'chiad rud, taic dha na teaghlaichean sin agus na daoine a tha a' dol tro àm a tha uamhasach duilich, àm glè dhoirbh. Tha eachdraidh leth-cheud bliadhna iongantach aig Oshawa leis an lus sin agus tha e na phìos naidheachd tubaisteach a th 'air GM a chuir air adhart agus tha sinn a' leantainn oirnn ag obair le MG agus le daoine feuchainn feuch nach eil slighe ann air adhart. Ach gu dearbh, tha taic dha na teaghlaichean sin aig mullach an inntinn. Tha sinn cuideachd a 'tuigsinn gu bheil, bidh atharrachaidhean san luchd-obrach, tha atharrachaidhean ann an dòighean caitheamh, tha atharrachaidhean anns an eaconamaidh chruinneil a thig le barrachd uidheamachd, sreathan solarachaidh eadar-dhealaichte air feadh an t-saoghail, AI.
Tha fios agam gum bi àite an-còmhnaidh ann a bhith a 'dèanamh saothrachadh ann an Canada, airson saothrachadh àrd luach ann an Canada, an e teicneòlasan ùra a tha a' tighinn a-steach, no leasachaidhean air seann theicneòlasan. Is e an fhòcas sin rudeigin a tha sinn a 'cumail a' cur an seilbh a-steach agus sin as coireach gu bheil ar tasgaidhean ann an sgilean, ann an oilthigh, ann an rannsachadh làidir, ann a bhith a 'toirt boireannaich dhan luchd-obrach, is iad seo na seòrsachan rudan a tha sinn a' feuchainn ri Canadannaich a chuideachadh san eadar-ghluasad sin S an Iar-
RB: Tha mi a 'faighinn sin, agus gu bheil thu a' feuchainn ri smaoineachadh mu obraichean airson an ama ri teachd, ach nach eil GM airson fuireach an seo agus dè tha sin ag innse dhut?
PMJT: Gu deimhinne tha GM air mòran airgid a thasgadh ann an, mar eisimpleir, ann an goireas rannsachaidh einnseanaireachd ann an Markham far a bheil iad ag obair air obraichean san àm ri teachd, tha iad a 'coimhead air barrachd chàraichean dealain agus càraichean fèin-dràibhidh. Agus tha Canada mar phàirt de mar a tha iad a 'smaoineachadh mun àm ri teachd.
RB: Mar sin, carson nach innis thu dhaibh gu bheil iad a 'toirt an lus mòr sin agad agus dèan càraichean san àm ri teachd. Carson nach smaoinich iad …
PMJT: Sin pàirt den chòmhradh a 'dol air adhart. Gu dearbh, chuir an Ceann-suidhe Trump agus mise a-mach mu dheidhinn seo seach gu bheil an SA a 'call ceithir no còig lusan. Tha sinn a 'call aon phlannt agus tha am planntrais Oshawa an-còmhnaidh mar aon de na lusan as fheàrr san t-saoghal airson GM.
Mar sin tha fìor cheistean ann mu na as urrainn dhuinn a dhèanamh gus feuchainn ri dèanamh cinnteach gu bheil sinn a 'toirt seachad gach taic a dh'fhaodadh a bhith ann dha na h-obraichean sin.
RB: Carson a dhùblaicheas tu air cosgais easbhaidh nuair a tha an eaconamaidh a 'dèanamh cho math? Chan eil e a 'dèanamh mòran mothachadh do dhaoine.
PMJT: Thairis air deich bliadhna an riaghaltais a bh 'ann roimhe, bha sinn an aghaidh fàs duilich ìseal agus àireamhan cosnaidh ìosal, agus rinn sinn co-dhùnadh fìor mhath ann an 2015. B' e sinne an aon phàrtaidh ag ràdh gun robh iad a 'tasgadh ann an Canada, a' tasgadh ann am bun-structar, a 'tasgadh sna coimhearsnachdan againn , a 'cur barrachd airgid ann am pòcaidean a' chlas meadhan, agus an fheadhainn a tha ag obair gu cruaidh gus a bhith an sàs ann, coltach ri sochair chloinne Canada, an dòigh air an eaconamaidh a fhàs.
Bha tòrr dhaoine ann a bha mì-chreidsinneach. Ach na chunnaic sinn an-dràsta gur e airgead a th 'ann airson Sochair Cloinne Chanada, airson àrdachadh anns an Leasachadh Teachd-a-steach Guaranteichte airson ar daoine as so-leònte, a' tasgadh ann am bun-structar a tha a 'dèanamh eadar-dhealachadh ann an coimhearsnachdan, a tha a' tarraing ann an tasgadh, a 'dèanamh tasgaidhean ro-innleachdail ann an gnìomhachasan , lowering the barriers to small businesses success, our approach has actually delivered the lowest unemployment rate in 40 years…
PMJT: Has delivered five or six hundred thousand new jobs created over the past three years, and we had the fastest growth in the G7 last year. Our approach to invest, in order to grow the economy, is working and we're going to continue to do that in responsible ways. Every year, our debt as a proportion of our GDP continues to decline. We're the lowest ratio in the G7. We're doing very well.
RB: So you're OK with that broken promise though?
PMJT: We are on a trajectory that demonstrates decreasing deficits and growing economies.
RB: But is that because politicians thinking on issues evolves, that you had a different thought about what the economy could be versus what you wanted to do with it when you got in office, or is that just because you said, this actually isn't that important the deficit?
PMJT: No, we've always said that fiscal responsibility is extraordinarily important and that's something that we've demonstrated with the declining share of our debt as a piece of our GDP.
RB: I know, I guess I'm just trying to understand how you went from saying we're going to have this, we're going to return to balance, then to no longer talking about that. Like what was the thinking for you, where you said to yourself that shouldn't be my focus anymore, we shouldn't be preoccupied with that.
PMJT: The fact that our approach is working, that people are getting, you know, new and better jobs, that our economy is growing, that unemployment is low that Canadians are more confident, not just in their futures, but their kids' futures, means that our approach continues to work, and maintaining that fiscal responsibility, and that fiscal discipline is part and parcel of what we always do.
RB: OK so that's a reasonable answer, but how should Canadians interpret that then? That it's OK to break a promise if you can show that what you've chosen is a better option?
PMJT: Well I think people understand that circumstances change and, for example, all the cuts that the Conservatives made in that last year of their government, cuts to veteran services, cuts to border security, cuts to a significant range of programs, that weakened Canadians, and showed a phony balance and, just in time for the election, that immediately snapped back into a huge deficit, regardless of what we were going to do, people understand that they want a government that is going to adjust to what the needs of the time are. We are very much realizing that our plan of investing in Canadians, of investing in infrastructure, and in their communities, is working to grow our economy and we're going to keep doing it.
RB: Did that trip to India do more harm than good?
PMJT: There was a number of things that came out that were very positive about that trip.
RB: Like what?
PMJT: In terms of investments, in terms of jobs, we're talking about a billion dollars in two-way investment, we're talking about thousands and thousands of jobs across this country created. We saw positive connections between our diaspora communities, but yeah, if I had to redo that trip I would do it very differently.
RB: Would you wear the outfits?
PMJT: No, I probably would not. I think that was a clear. I mean I had more suits on that trip than I had outfits, but the pictures of the outfits dominated and certainly it was a lesson learned.
RB: And the whole attempted murderer showing up at a dinner, I know the report has come out and you're not willing to say much about what was redacted, but it seems to me you at least have a lesson here about how you do these things.
PMJT: Absolutely. On every trip there are lessons to learn, ways to improve how we do things. I mean one of the lessons on this is just how important it is that we have a national security committee of parliamentarians that actually come together, all parties together, and weigh in on these issues.
And the professionalism with which they dug into some very complex issues, and the solutions they put forward are significant aide to our government and to all governments moving forward.
RB: You've said that Canadians should expect the next election to be the nastiest yet. What are you going to do to prevent that?
PMJT: I'm going to continue to demonstrate that positive politics that bring people together, that not engaging in personal attacks, not trying to dumb down and simplify politics so it fits on a bumper sticker or an easy slogan, instead treat Canadians as intelligent, rational citizens who want to be part of the difficult reflections on how we move forward. The challenge with populism, as we've seen it rise over the past three years particularly, is that it sort of takes citizens for fools.
It says, while we can scare them by you know, going into our darkest fears and making political hay out of it, I'm always going to look for ways to bring people together, to involve them in the solutions, and demonstrate that Canadians deserve better than politicians who play the fear and division card every time they can.
RB: Do you practice what you preach?
PMJT: I certainly try to, yeah.
RB: You try to?
PMJT: Yeah absolutely.
RB: Would you admit that there are times when you don't?
PMJT: I will admit that I have occasioned to be critical in ways. I always look for ways to be very fierce about distinctions in policy and calling out the politics of division and fear whenever I see it. I won't make apologies for that, cause I'm going to fight for the democratic principles that we have, and the values of an informed populous.
RB: I'm thinking back to a moment at the beginning of October when we were talking about the Terri-Lynne McClintic issue with the healing lodge, and inside the House of Commons you called the Conservatives ambulance chasing politicians — and it wasn't just in the heat of the moment.
RB: Cause then you came right back out and you said it again. How do you feel about that comment now? Does it reflect who you are as a politician?
PMJT: I think it does because I won't make any apologies for calling out people who use the basest kinds of politics and fears to torque a situation. I mean they…
RB: But how did they do that?
PMJT: Know, knowing…
RB: You've changed the policy.
PMJT: Knowing what we know now.
RB: You've changed the policy subsequent to that.
PMJT: Oh yes we did.
PMJT: But they didn't recognize that they had done exactly the same thing 14 times while they were in office. And the fact that Terri-Lynne McClintic was transferred to a medium security institution under the Conservative government, and she remained in a medium security institution throughout the time that they were criticizing me, showed that they were willing to exploit a horrific tragedy to a family, to a little girl, to try and score cheap political points.
RB: Or they were trying to call attention to an issue that needed to be changed that you subsequently changed…
PMJT: That they consistently ignored, and we didn't change it by suddenly giving the politicians power to classify a criminal. We asked…
RB: No, I understand that.
PMJT: We asked the institution to review its policies to make sure they were right. That was a change that they very much could have made when, if they were so outraged about it, while they were busy doing it.
But they chose to play a level of politics, when they themselves had engaged in exactly that behaviour, in a way that is cynical that I will not apologize for calling out the politics of cynicism, of fear, of division, of anger, of hatred.
RB: Yeah but that's not what you did, you called them a name back, ambulance chasing politicians. I just wonder whether you think you should have said something different now.
PMJT: I think it's extremely important to point out when people are playing the basest kinds of politics. And the fact that I am calling out Conservatives on the way they play politics with horrific tragedies to do fundraising, and to try and score cheap points. I'm willing to do it.
RB: After you made the decision to change the healing lodge.
PMJT: Listen, their decision to move forward and to make this an issue on the back of a terrible tragedy was something that would require to call them out.
RB: But you changed the policy, like, it worked.
PMJT: What worked was we actually asked Corrections Canada to review their entire policy. We didn't change that one case. We didn't weigh in the way politics…
RB: No, I understand but it forced you to look at the policy and in that way the opposition was doing its job. Whether you like the language they used is beside the point.
PMJT: I think there's two things.
First of all, yes, it is an opposition's job and responsibility to challenge, to call out, to say you should do things differently, you can do things differently.
PMJT: That's really important. But if they do it by exacerbating the polarization, the anger, the fear within electorate, we start to walk down a very, very dangerous path. And I am always going to be very firm and unequivocal about calling out nastiness and negativity to that level in politics.
And if you take…
PMJT: The comment I made and put it up against the kind of ugly rhetoric that they put forward, you'll see that my comment was actually very mild. But you know, as we often see, there is a habit amongst those particular practitioners of negative politics to have very thin skins when things are turned around on them.
RB: Have you learned anything about your temperament in this job? I have some observations, but I'll let you go first.
PMJT: Yeah. I'm extremely passionate about standing for what I believe to be the truth and believe in my values. And I get offended when people rely on falsehoods, and I get irritated when people try and play fast and loose with facts, or ignore facts entirely. I think that is weakening not just to our governance, but to our institutions and to our democracy.
RB: You're scrappy.
PMJT: I can be.
RB: Would you say?
PMJT: I'm not going to, you know, sit by meekly as people weaken our institutions and our democracy.
RB: And what is the difference between being scrappy and being full of sunny ways? Because that's not something you say very much anymore and maybe it's just a reality of governing. I don't particularly love the expression anyway, but is there a difference between that, or can you be scrappy and still positive?
PMJT: I think, absolutely.
PMJT: I think I can and I think I do. I mean, I always look for ways to bring people together. I look for ways to solve solutions. I look for ways [to] solve problems, I look for ways to listen to people and make sure we are consulting and engaging in thoughtful ways. Now it usually requires me to give a longer answer to a complex question than someone who's just looking for an easy populist answer, but I'm always going to be ready to argue a given point.
RB: Do you think though that you're a better politician than the Conservatives? I mean it seems that to me that you're sort of putting yourself on a different level than them and I wonder if that's not a little dismissive of the people who believe the things they're saying, because there's a lot of them.
PMJT: I'm always willing to have a debate on the facts, to look at counter-proposals. But what we're not seeing from the opposition, whether it's on climate or even on economic policy is much of a plan, or an explanation of how they would do things differently. So we're not actually debating on the substance of what we're doing, they tend to go to name calling and a challenge around, you know, personal attacks rather than actually debating the substance of what we're putting forward.
RB: Do you think are a patient person?
PMJT: It depends on the context. If I'm spending time with a Canadian who has questions about what we're doing, I have a tremendous amount of patience. If I'm in a situation where I'm engaging with someone who should know better and chooses to believe that the earth is flat, or that climate change is not man made, then I will be a little more impatient because I feel that is a choice that they're making that is impacting negatively on our ability to come together and actually solve the big problems we're facing.
RB: So you probably don't have good chats with the president then?
PMJT: No, I've had excellent conversations with…
RB: You must be impatient with him though.
PMJT: I've had good conversations with the president.
RB: Do you think that sometimes you are perceived as trivial or superficial? I'll give you examples. The outfits in India certainly gave that perception. The tweet on the weekend to Trevor Noah about the $50 million dollars.
PMJT: Yeah but see, but that's an interesting one, because of course when you make a spending decision like that, there's weeks of reflection on whether or not this is the right thing to do. Because our political opponents don't particularly like the way we announced it, they find themselves opposed to investing money in some of the most vulnerable kids around the world.
RB: No, I don't know that they're opposed to that. I think they're opposed to the trivial nature in which it was announced. Like why do you have to…
PMJT: Would they prefer I have a big novelty cheque like the Conservatives used to do?
RB: No, but tagging a celebrity, what's the benefit of that as prime minister?
PMJT: Well one of the challenges is if we were to put out a press conference in the Ottawa press theatre that says 'we're sending $50 million dollars to education cannot wait to invest in the most impoverished and vulnerable kids in the world,' that might not have actually reached as much of an audience as for example than [a] celebrity engaged down in South Africa.
RB: Yeah, I would argue you stepped on your own message though by doing that.
PMJT: Well, I think a lot more people know that Canada is actually stepping up and helping vulnerable people around the world. And there are always lessons to be learned about this, but I'm not going to make apologies for actually doing it and for making sure that we're looking for different ways of communicating that message.
RB: OK, so I'll leave this part on this. Do you ever worry that brand Trudeau… I was in New York last week and I wandered into a store and there was cups with your name on it, and socks, and all sorts of things. It was very strange to be in New York and all that stuff is there.
I'm sure it's stranger for you. Do you ever worry that brand Trudeau sort of overtakes what you're trying to say and do, which I think to you is more important?
PMJT: I think what we're seeing around interest in Canada on the world stage doesn't have as much to do with me as it does to do with what Canadians have been doing on the world stage for years and for generations. Yes, there's a moment where for all sorts of different reasons, including, you know, social media skills, that Canada is being noticed a little bit more, but the fact that is a positive aspirational impact on so many people around the world…
RB: But it's your face attached to it.
PMJT: Is due to our values.
RB: It's not the, the flag, or it's not, you know, anybody else.
PMJT: You know, there's a mix of things associated with it and if we can do a better job of highlighting what Canada is doing on the world stage, and how what we're doing at home with things like the, the Canada Child Benefit that's making such a big difference. then people will look and say, 'OK, they've got a solution to some of the really sticky problems that we're facing all around the world.'
RB: Thank you, thank you for your time.
PMJT: Thank you very much Rosie.